Chapter VII [pp. 86-94; pp. 79-86]

4. What does Keating want, in offering a job to Roark? How does Roark react? And why isn’t Keating pleased by Roark’s acceptance of the offer of a job? [ 86-88;79-81]

5. What is it that Keating understands about Roark, and why does it bother him? [87-89;80-82]

6. What difficult thing must Roark learn in his new job at Francon & Heyer? [89-90;82]

7. What is the difference in Keating’s reactions to Roark’s occasional compliments, no matter how minimal, as compared to those from others? [90-91;83]

8. Keating likes giving orders to Roark that appear to diminish Roark’s status. What does Keating hope for from these occasions? Why? [91;83]

9. Why does Roark accept Mike’s offer to go for a beer, when earlier he rejected Keating’s offer to go for a drink together? [88,93;81,85]

Chapter VIII [pp. 95-103; pp. 86-94]

10. Francon begins his meeting with Roark by complimenting Roark, but then stops. Why does he stop? [95;86-87]

11. When Roark tries to convince Francon to let him design the building the way the client wants, he sabotages his own argument. How? Is Roark right when he says he’s not criticizing Francon’s taste? [96-98;87-89]

12. What was (were) Wynand’s purpose(s) in buying the Austrian village and reconstructing it in the U.S.? [98-99;90]

13. Why does Cameron not want to talk about the rejections Roark has gotten from other architects? Do you think that bothers Roark? [100;91]

14. Do we learn any useful information from Gordon Prescott’s comments to Roark, either about his opinion of Roark’s work or about his own character? [102;92-93]

Chapter IX [pp. 104-115; pp. 94-105]

15. What is unique about John Eric Snyte’s approach to architectural design? What does Roark’s style mean to him? What does this job allow Roark to do? [104-106;94-96]

16. What is different between Austin Heller’s speech and the one by Ellsworth Toohey? The crowd seems to respond well to both Heller’s speech and to Toohey as speaker. How can that be? [109-111;100-102]

17. When Austen Heller says that “unfortunately - we are forced to live together,” how much of that statement do you think represents Rand’s own personal feelings? Is this just a particular characterization, or is it another case of Rand “in a bad mood?” [109-110;100]

18. What is it about Catherine Halsey’s reaction to Toohey’s speech that bothers Keating? Why does he feel fear? Why did she agree to leave without hearing her uncle’s speech, which she wanted to hear? [111-112;102]

19. Why do you suppose Wynand raises Toohey’s salary? Why does Toohey claim it is a bribe? [112;102]

20. What is the focus of Dominique Francon’s column in The Banner about the Ainsworth House? Is the column unfair in its description of the residence? What is Guy Francon’s sole apparent concern about the column? [114-115;104-105]

Chapter X [pp. 116-131; pp. 106-120]

21. Is Ralston Holcombe substantially different from any other of the mainstream architects depicted in the story? He considers himself a man of ideals. Do we learn what those ideals are? [116-117;106-107]

22. Does Dominique Francon tell people what they want to hear from her? Does she always speak the truth to them? Why do you think she acts as she does toward them? [119-124;109-113]

23. Snyte tells his designers that Austen Heller wants a house that is different. Does he have any idea of what Heller really wants? Does he really care what Heller wants? How do we know? [126-130;115-119]

24. What one thing seems to be sacred to Snyte? Does it make any sense? [105,128;96,117-118]

25. When Rand describes the house in the sketches as having been “designed not by Roark, but by the cliff on which it stood,” does that in any way detract from Roark’s accomplishment, or highlight It? Why, and how? [127-128;117]

26. What words does Austen Heller use in describing what he wants but didn’t get from Snyte’s presented design? How does Roark demonstrate that he understands Heller? [129-130;118-119]

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TOPIC:
Ayn Rand and Humor

SUMMARY:
Some have suggested that Objectivism and Objectivists could do with more humor.  Rand had this to say about humor in the question period following Lecture 11 of Leonard Peikoff’s series “The Philosophy of Objectivism” in 1976.

“Humor is the denial of metaphysical importance to that which you laugh at.  The classic example: you see a very snooty, very well dressed dowager walking down the street, and then she slips on a banana peel…What’s funny about it?  It’s the contrast of the woman’s pretensions to reality.  She acted very grand, but reality undercut it with a plain banana peel.  That’s the denial of the metaphysical validity or importance of the pretensions of that woman.”

“Therefore, humor is a destructive element–which is quite all right, but its value and its morality depend on what it is that you are laughing at.  If what you are laughing at is the evil in the world (provided that you take it seriously, but occasionally you permit yourself to laugh at it), that’s fine. [To] laugh at that which is good, at heroes, at values, and above all at yourself [is] monstrous…The worse evil that you can do, psychologically, is to laugh at yourself.  That means spitting in your own face.”

Jackie will briefly present other views on Rand and humor and lead the discussion.

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TOPIC:
The Fountainhead Session 1
We will discuss Ayn Rand’s epic novel The Fountainhead in one session per month in 2012.

READINGS:
The Fountainhead, Part 1, Chapters 1-5
Pages 3-68 in the Centennial Edition

DISCUSSION QUESTIONS:
Will be provided in the reminder email.
John Kannarr has been at work on them for a few months now.  Thanks in advance to John.

SCHEDULE FOR 2012:
Part 1 Peter Keating
Jan     Chapters 1-5           p. 3-68            66 pages
Feb    Chapters 6-11         p. 69-134        67 pages
Mar    Chapters 12-15       p. 135-200      66 pages

Part 2 Ellsworth M. Toohey
Apr     Chapters 1-6          p. 203-271      69 pages
May    Chapters 7-10        p. 272-328      57 pages
Jun     Chapters 11-15      p. 329-401      73 pages

Part 3 Gail Wynand
Jul      Chapters 1-4        p. 405-466    62 pages
Aug    Chapters 5-9        p. 467-523    57 pages

Part 4 Howard Roark
Sep     Chapters 1-5          p. 527-578    52 pages
Oct     Chapters 6-10        p. 579-628    50 pages
Nov    Chapters 11-15      p. 629-685    56 pages
Dec    Chapters 16-20      p. 686-727    42 pages

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Jackie & Lyman Hazelton are hosting the annual
Arizona Objectivists’ Solstice Party at their home on
Saturday, December 17, 2011 at 6 PM.  Note earlier
start time.

DINNER:
The traditional Pizza ordered out for $5 per person.
There will also be holiday sweets for dessert and
non-alcoholic beverages. If  you have special dietary needs or
would prefer an alcoholic beverage, please feel free to bring
what you require or desire, for yourself or to share.

GIFT EXCHANGE:
We will play a present guessing game to sharpen our logical
reasoning skills and get to know each other better. Please
bring a wrapped gift worth $15 or more which represents
something about yourself (but of course should be an object
that someone else might like). Before entering, place the gift
in a brown paper bag (at the door) and then give it to Lyman to be
put in the guest room. After dinner, we will draw numbers and begin
the present selection and analysis. Each gift will be opened, written
down on your list and analyzed.  Once all gifts are opened, you
must finalize your guess at who gave each gift.  Starting with the
first gift,  the real giver reveals himself/herself and explains the
gift selection.   Why, for example, he gave the CD and a
potato perched on a styrofoam couch. The person who gets the
most correct gets an additional gift from Jackie.  Ayn Rand’s
Collective  played this type of game at Christmas time. If you prefer
not to bring a gift, you can forego participation in the exchange but
may still assist in the guessing.

1. The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand
in 12 installments (50-60 pages each) one per month

2. We The Living by Ayn Rand
in 9 installments (50-60 pages each) one per month

3. The Virtue of Selfishness by Ayn Rand
19 Chapters one per month

4. The Vision of Ayn Rand by Nathaniel Branden
20 Chapters one per month

TOPIC:
Solstice Party & Gift Exchange

WHEN:
SATURDAY, December 17, 2011 at 6:00 p.m.

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TUESDAY, December 6, 2011 7:00 PM Arrival Time

TOPIC:
The First Reviews of Atlas Shrugged: Fair or Foul?
Presented by Warren Van Egmond

ABSTRACT:
In the four months following the initial publication of ‘Atlas Shrugged’ in October 1957 thirteen reviews of the book were published in major national newspapers and magazines, including ‘The New York Times,’ ‘Time,’ and ‘Newsweek.’  All were generally negative, some strongly so.  This reportedly put Rand into a depression that lasted for some time, despite the sales success of the book.

What did these initial reviews say?  Were they generally fair to the novel or negative for political reasons?  What explains the long-term success of the novel in spite of the negative early reviews?

Warren will summarize the contents of the reviews and lead a discussion on these questions.

Suggested reading:  The review written by Whittaker Chambers for ‘National Review’ can be read on-line in its entirety at many web sites.  These seem to be the fastest:
http://www.nationalreview.com/author/213286/latest
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/222482/big-sister-watching-you/flashback
http://www.potowmack.org/aynrand.html
http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles2/ChambersAynRand.php

John Chamberlain’s more positive review in ‘The New York Herald Tribune’ can also be found on-line, but with some obstacles:
http://www.bookrags.com/criticism/rand-ayn-19051982_6/
http://www.enotes.com/ayn-rand-criticism/rand-ayn-vol-30/john-chamberlain

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TOPIC:
Logical Fallacies and the Critics of the Passion of Ayn Rand
Talk by Jackie Hazelton
Presented at The Atlas Society Free Minds 2010 Summer Seminar

ABSTRACT:
The two prominent critics of Barbara Branden’s biography of Ayn Rand, The Passion of Ayn Rand, are Leonard Peikoff in his June, 1986 statement in The Objectivist Forum and James S. Valliant in his 2005 book, The Passion of Ayn Rand’s Critics.  This talk presents an analysis of the reasoning used in the criticism of the Branden biography as an interesting way to review some of the common logical fallacies.

The Objectivist Forum, June, 1986, page 15, “In answer to inquires, Leonard Peikoff wishes to place on record the following statement.  ‘The forthcoming biography of Ayn Rand by Barbara Branden was undertaken against Miss Rand’s wishes.  Miss Rand severed relations with Mrs. Branden in 1968, regarding her as immoral and as an enemy of Objectivism.  Being aware of Mrs. Branden’s longtime hostility to Ayn Rand, including her public attacks on Miss Rand after her death–attacks interlarded with protestations of adulation–I have refused for years to meet with Mrs. Branden or to cooperate on this project.  I had no reason to believe that the book would be either a truthful presentation of Ayn Rand’s life or an accurate statement of her ideas.  Advance reports from several readers of the book in galley from have confirmed my expectations.  Therefore, I certainly do not recommend this book.  As for myself, I have not read it and do not intend to do so.’”

The Passion of Ayn Rand’s Critics: The Case Against the Brandens.  James S. Valliant, Durban House, 2005.

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TOPIC:
The Testa Dura-bility of Dagny
Video of talk by Marsha Familaro Enright
Given at The Atlas Society Free Minds 2010 Summer Seminar

ABSTRACT:
Dagny is one of the most intelligent characters in Atlas Shrugged, yet takes the longest to accept John Galt’s proof that her work helps evil more than it does good.  She requires much more evidence than any other character before she quits, even though she has multiple opportunities to do so.  Yet, Galt and the other men of the valley accept her lengthy journey not only with equanimity, but with respect.

In Italian-American culture, she would be called a “testa dura”–which means “hard head” with many subtle implications about character and temperament.  What makes it so hard for Dagny to quit?  What factors and features prevent her from quitting?  Why are the heroes so tolerant of her foot dragging?  This is a paradox worth exploring especially for its implication in our dealings with others.

Marsha first reviews the evidence about Dagny’s character and actions, then summarizes their implications for moral judgment and the way in which we should deal with other people.

I. Who is Dagny Taggart?  A review of various scenes in Atlas Shrugged
A. What character and personality traits Rand emphasizes.
B. How Dagny treats–and judges–others.
C. Testa Dura par excellence: How Dagny responds to the idea of going on strike.
D. How the other heroes treat her–and why they act that way.

II. The Moral Lessons of Atlas Shrugged
A. Principles by which to judge other people.
B. Does the integrated nature of knowledge inevitably lead one from wrong premises to wrong conclusions?
C. Patience as a consequence of recognizing the individual’s context of knowledge.

BIO:
Marsha Enright, M.A., is the Founder and President of the Reason Individualism Freedom Institute and an Adjunct Professor at Shimer College in Chicago.  Marsha first read Ayn Rand while in high school and has incorporated Ayn Rand’s philosophy into her life ever since.  She founded the New Intellectual Forum, an Objectivist discussion club/salon, 22 years ago.

Trained as a psychotherapist, Marsha founded Council Oak Montessori School for ages 3 to 15 twenty years ago for her children.  She is still its president.  Currently, she is working to open a new liberal arts college incorporating Montessori educational philosophy for the young adult.  Its curriculum uses the Great Books classics, including the works of Ayn Rand and classical liberal thinkers neglected in other institutions.  It places a heavy emphasis on learning good reasoning processes in all subject areas, from math to poetry.

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TOPIC:
Ayn Rand vs. Alan Greenspan on Selfishness
Video of talk by Tibor R. Machan
Given at The Atlas Society Free Minds 2010 Summer Seminar

ABSTRACT:
Alan Greenspan’s reference to “self-interest” is radically different from Ayn Rand’s.  He said, before Congress, that “Those of us who have looked to the self-interest of lending institutions to protect shareholders’ equity, myself especially, are in a state of shocked disbelief.”  The latter reference to self-interest is not, however, to Rand’s idea, which is, “whatever will enhance the objective well being of an agent” but to the neo-classical economist’s idea of homo economicus, namely that everyone is always doing whatever he or she wants to do, provided no one else interferes.

In contrast to this subjectivist idea of self-interest, Rand’s calls to mind the exchange between Crito and Socrates in one of Plato’s dialogues, the Phaedo, where Crito asks, “When you are gone, Socrates, how can we best act to please you?”  and Socrates replies: “Just follow my old recipe, my friend: do yourselves concern yourselves with your own true self-interest; then you will oblige me, and nine and yourself too.”  This is pretty much the gist of Ayn Rand’s ethics of Objectivism: Do what in fact advances our best interest as the individual human being you are!

As already noted, Greenspan, in contrast, was talking about the contemporary idea of homo economicus prominent among neo-classical economists.  Rand’s idea of self-interest or selfishness, as that of Socrates, requires that one adhere to strict standards of conduct while the latter requires no standards for one to follow but only to choose to do whatever one prefers or wants to do.

BIO:
Tibor R. Machan, Ph.D., is a research fellow at the Hoover Institution (Stanford University, CA).  He is professor emeritus of philosophy at Auburn University, and holds the R. C. Hoiles Endowed Chair in Business Ethics and Free Enterprise at the Argyros School of Business & Economics, Chapman University.  He lectures regularly, on political philosophy and business ethics, in Europe, Latin America, South Africa, and New Zealand and throughout the United States.

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TOPIC:
Explore Atlas Shrugged Session 20
Podcasts and  discussion questions on Ayn Rand’s epic novel Atlas Shrugged
We will discuss the questions.

READINGS:
Atlas Shrugged, Part 3, Chapter 9 - Part 3, Chapter 10
Part 3: Chapter 9: The Generator
Part 3: Chapter 10: In the Name of the Best Within Us
Or:
Pages 1126-1168 in the larger Hardcover or Softcover
Pages 1035-1074 in the smaller Mass Market Paperback

AUTHOR:
http://www.exploreaynrand.com/1957/
These discussion questions and podcast were prepared by Diana Hsieh for ExploreAtlasShrugged.com for people interested in creating their own Atlas Shrugged Reading Groups, as well as for anyone wishing to study the novel in more depth. They may be freely used for the study and discussion of Atlas Shrugged, provided that this paragraph remains intact in any reproduction.

DISCUSSION QUESTIONS:
The listed page numbers are for the larger edition, softcover or hardback.

Part 3: Chapter 9: The Generator

Section 1: 1126-1133

* What is Dr. Stadler’s purpose and state of mind as he drives to Project X?  (1126-8)  What does he find at Project X?  What happens — and why?  (1128-33)

Section 2: 1133-1139

* What is the response of the looters to Galt’s exposure of the gun at the banquet?  What do they plan to do?  Why is that significant?  What does Dagny now understand about their motives?  (1133-6)
* What is the significance of Dagny’s response to the destruction of the Taggart Bridge?  How is that one last test for her?  (1137-8)

Section 3: 1139-1146

* What is the Ferris Persuader?  How does Galt react to its use on him?  How do the looters react?
* How does Galt respond to the breakdown of the Ferris Persuader?  How do the looters react?  (1139-46)
* Why does Jim Taggart collapse?  What does he understand about himself?  How do the other looters respond — and why?  (1145-6)

Whole Chapter

* What is the significance of the title of this chapter?

Part 3: Chapter 10: In the Name of the Best Within Us

Section 1: 1147-1160

* Why does Dagny confront the guard in the way that she does?  What choice does she offer him — and why? Why does she shoot him when he refuses to choose?  (1147-8)
* How do Dagny, Hank, Francisco, and Ragnar deal with the guards?  What is the significance of that?  What is the significance of the guards’ reactions to them?  (1147-54)
* Why does John Galt say that he had to be the one tortured?  How does that serve the strike?  (1155)
* Why were so many men of the valley willing to assault the State Science Institute to free John Galt?  Why does he mean so much to them?  Was that self-sacrifice?  (1157)

Section 2: 1160-1167

* What is Eddie Willers’ state of mind when the Comet stalls? What does he learn? (1160-7)
* Why does he refuse to join the wagon caravan?  What will happen to him?  Why does he suffer this end?  (1163-5)

Section 3: 1167-1168

* What will happen once the producers return to the world?  How will they re-establish America?  (1168)

Whole Chapter

* What is the significance of the title of this chapter?

Whole Part

* What is the significance of the title of this part?

Whole Book

* What are the most important themes of the novel? How were those conveyed by the events and characters?

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TOPIC:
The Rewriting of Ayn Rand’s Spoken Answers
by Robert L. Campbell
From The Journal of Ayn Rand Studies 2011 Issue 1

AUTHOR:
Robert Campbell , Ph.D., is a Professor in the Psychology Department at Clemson University.  He has been there since the summer of 1991; before that, he spent five and a half years at the IBM Research Division in Hawthorne, New York.  At IBM, Robert was a Human Factors specialist; at Clemson he specializes in Developmental and Cognitive Psychology.

OUTLINE FOR DISCUSSION:
I. Ayn Rand Answers (2005) is an edited book derived from Rand’s spoken answers to questions.
A. It’s the fifth in a series of six edited volumes of previously
unpublished material.
B. It’s the second among these edited by Mayhew (after
The Art of Non-Fiction.)

II. The original spoken questions and answers are available for more than half of the items in Ayn Rand Answers.
A. Therefore, much of Mayhew’s editing can be checked without getting past the gatekeepers at the Ayn Rand Archives.
B. I checked the originals for 201 out of the 370 items included in the Mayhew book.
C. I checked 92 additional answers that Mayhew chose not to include.

III. Items left out of Ayn Rand Answers.
A. Mayhew provided no reasons for leaving anything out.
B. A few omitted answers are genuinely uninteresting.
C. Mayhew used just one of several answers about her uncompleted writing projects.
D. He used no answers about the filming of Atlas Shrugged or about the departure of Nathaniel Branden.
E. He left off a number of answers about topics of genuine interest (the Pentagon Papers, Martin Anderson,
Thomas Szasz.)
F. He left out a few politically sensitive answers (homosexuality, the morality of taking amphetamines.)

IV. How Mayhew edited the items he kept.
A. “Most of the editing I did consisted of cutting and line-editing to bring the material closer to the level of conciseness, clarity, and smoothness appropriate to a written work.  Very little had to be cut owing to repetition.”
B. In fact, he rewrote virtually every answer, except for a very few that Rand had edited herself.  He didn’t tell his readers which ones Rand had edited.
C. Mayhew sometimes divided multi-section answers into separate items, providing new questions when necessary.
D. He rearranged parts of an answer internally.
E. He abridged many of her early 1960’s answers (when she tended to talk faster and produce longer responses) so they would read more like her later answers.
F. He corrected an occasional slip of the tongue without announcing this to his readers.
G. He put words into Rand’s mouth that she didn’t use on the occasion (”referent”) or that she never used (”the agent”, “the latter”, “owing to”.)
H. He or his transcriber (Mayhew does not say who transcribed the original recordings) occasionally mistranscribed her words (”red” for “wrecked”, “experimental whim” for “experimenter’s whim”.)

V. Mayhew somtines edited for philosophical correctness.
A. “Dr. Peikoff also wanted to limit [the book's] contents to those Q&A that he knew to be consistent with her explicit philosophy, and in some cases to have then edited accordingly.  I made this clear in my preface; I did not hide the fact that such editing was done.”
B. Ayn Rand Answers does not say when, why, or at whose request such editing was done.
C. Mayhew removed references or allusions to persons who had fallen out of favor (Nathaniel Branden, Allan Blumenthal, Beatrice Hessen.)
D. He removed issues or rhetoric apparently considered embarrassing (the effects of cigarette smoking on health, her equation of anarchism with communism, her favorite TV shows.)

VI. How Rand should be edited.
A. Mayhew imagines that he can edit Rand’s spoken words the way she would have.
B. She neither needed Mayhew’s help nor benefits from it.
C. Proper editing would eliminate the false starts and the hesitation pauses without notifying the reader.
D. It would correct grammer while notifying the reader.
E. It would correct slips of the tongue and obvious misspeaking while footnoting them.

VII. What should happen to the book?
A. The Estate of Ayn Rand should withdraw Mayhew’s book.
B. A more comprehensive, lightly edited book should replace it.
Such a book would be of much greater value to both the specialist and the general reader.

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